Plato, Gorgias, section 498d

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[498d]

Callicles
Why, upon my word, I cannot tell what you mean.

Socrates
You are aware, are you not, that you hold that the good are good by the presence of good things, and that the bad are so by the presence of bad things? And that the pleasures are the good things, and the pains bad things?

Callicles
Yes, I am.

Socrates
Hence in those who have enjoyment the good things—the pleasures—are present, so long as they enjoy?

Callicles
Of course.

Socrates
Then, good things being present, those who enjoy are good?

Callicles
Yes.

Socrates
Well now, in those who feel pain are not bad things present, namely pains?

Callicles
They are.

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 3 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1967.

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