Plato, Alcibiades 1, section 129d

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[129d] and what he uses are always, in your opinion, two different things.

Alcibiades
They are.

Socrates
Then what are we to say of the shoemaker? Does he cut with his tools only, or with his hands as well?

Alcibiades
With his hands as well.

Socrates
So he uses these also?

Alcibiades
Yes.

Socrates
Does he use his eyes, too, in his shoe-making?

Alcibiades
Yes.

Socrates
And we admit that the user and what he uses are different things?

Alcibiades
Yes.

Socrates
Then the shoemaker and the harper are different from

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 8 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1955.

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