Plato, Alcibiades 1, section 129b

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Socrates
Come then, in what way can the same-in-itself¹ be discovered? For thus we may discover what we are ourselves; whereas if we remain in ignorance of it we must surely fail.

Alcibiades
Rightly spoken.

Socrates
Steady, then, in Heaven's name! To whom are you talking now? To me, are you not?

Alcibiades
Yes.

Socrates
And I in turn to you ?

Alcibiades
Yes.

Socrates
Then the talker is Socrates?

Alcibiades
To be sure.

Socrates
And the hearer, Alcibiades?

Alcibiades
Yes.

Socrates
And Socrates uses speech in talking?

1 This seems to be a sudden adumbration of the Platonic “idea” or form which remains constant, and so “the same,” behind the shifting objects of sense related to it through its influences or impress. Cf. below, Plat. Alc. 1.130d.

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 8 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1955.

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