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[708e]

Athenian
My good Sir, in returning to the subject of lawgivers in our investigation, I may probably have to cast a slur on them; but if what I say is to the point, then there will be no harm in it. Yet why should I vex myself? For practically all human affairs seem to be in this same plight.

Clinias
What is it you refer to?

Athenian
I was on the point of saying that no man ever makes laws,

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