Plato, Gorgias, section 481b

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[481b] Such are the purposes, as it seems to me, Polus, for which rhetoric is useful, since to him who has no intention of doing wrong it is, I consider, of no great use, if indeed there is any use in it at all; for in our previous argument it was nowhere to be found.

Callicles
Tell me, Chaerephon, is Socrates in earnest over this, or only joking?

Chaerephon
To my thinking, Callicles, prodigiously in earnest: still, there is nothing like asking him.

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 3 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1967.

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