Plato, Gorgias, section 458e

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[458e] But if our friends here are so minded, go on with the conversation and ask me anything you like.

Socrates
Hark you then, Gorgias, to what surprises me in your statements: to be sure, you may possibly be right, and I may take your meaning wrongly. You say you are able to make a rhetorician of any man who chooses to learn from you?

Gorgias
Yes.

Socrates
Now, do you mean, to make him carry conviction to the crowd on all subjects, not by teaching them, but by persuading?

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 3 translated by W.R.M. Lamb. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1967.

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