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Theaetetus
Certainly.Stranger
Now up to that point the sophist and the angler proceed together from the starting-point of acquisitive art.Theaetetus
I think they do.Stranger
But they separate at the point of animal-hunting, where the one turns to the sea and rivers and lakes to hunt the animals in those.Theaetetus
To be sure.Stranger
But the other turns toward the land and to rivers of a different kind—rivers of wealth and youth, bounteous meadows, as it were—and he intends to coerce the creatures in them. [222b] Theaetetus
What do you mean?Stranger
Of land-hunting there are two chief divisions.Theaetetus
What are they?Stranger
One is the hunting of tame, the other of wild creatures.Theaetetus
Is there, then, a hunting of tame creatures?Stranger
Yes, If man is a tame animal; but make any assumption you like, that there is no tame animal, or that some other tame animal exists but man is a wild one or that man is tame but there is no hunting of man. For the purpose of our definition choose whichever of these statements you think is satisfactory to you. [222c] Theaetetus
Why, Stranger, I think we are a tame animal, and I agree that there is a hunting of man.Stranger
Let us, then, say that the hunting of tame animals is also of two kinds.Theaetetus
How do we justify that assertion?Stranger
By defining piracy, man-stealing, tyranny, and the whole art of war all collectively as hunting by force.Theaetetus
Excellent.Stranger
And by giving the art of the law courts, of the public platform, and of conversation also a single name and calling [222d] them all collectively an art of persuasion.Theaetetus
Correct.Stranger
Now let us say that there are two kinds of persuasion.Theaetetus
What kinds?Stranger
The one has to do with private persons, the other with the community.Theaetetus
Granted; each of them does form a class.Stranger
Then again of the hunting of private persons one kind receives pay, and the other brings gifts, does it not?Theaetetus
I do not understand.Stranger
Apparently you have never yet paid attention to the lovers' method of hunting.Theaetetus
In what respect? [222e] Stranger
That in addition to their other efforts they give presents to those whom they hunt.Theaetetus
You are quite right.Stranger
Let us, then, call this the amatory art.Theaetetus
Agreed.Stranger
But that part of the paid kind which converses to furnish gratification and makes pleasure exclusively its bait and demands as its pay only maintenance, we might all agree, if I am not mistaken,
Certainly.Stranger
Now up to that point the sophist and the angler proceed together from the starting-point of acquisitive art.Theaetetus
I think they do.Stranger
But they separate at the point of animal-hunting, where the one turns to the sea and rivers and lakes to hunt the animals in those.Theaetetus
To be sure.Stranger
But the other turns toward the land and to rivers of a different kind—rivers of wealth and youth, bounteous meadows, as it were—and he intends to coerce the creatures in them. [222b] Theaetetus
What do you mean?Stranger
Of land-hunting there are two chief divisions.Theaetetus
What are they?Stranger
One is the hunting of tame, the other of wild creatures.Theaetetus
Is there, then, a hunting of tame creatures?Stranger
Yes, If man is a tame animal; but make any assumption you like, that there is no tame animal, or that some other tame animal exists but man is a wild one or that man is tame but there is no hunting of man. For the purpose of our definition choose whichever of these statements you think is satisfactory to you. [222c] Theaetetus
Why, Stranger, I think we are a tame animal, and I agree that there is a hunting of man.Stranger
Let us, then, say that the hunting of tame animals is also of two kinds.Theaetetus
How do we justify that assertion?Stranger
By defining piracy, man-stealing, tyranny, and the whole art of war all collectively as hunting by force.Theaetetus
Excellent.Stranger
And by giving the art of the law courts, of the public platform, and of conversation also a single name and calling [222d] them all collectively an art of persuasion.Theaetetus
Correct.Stranger
Now let us say that there are two kinds of persuasion.Theaetetus
What kinds?Stranger
The one has to do with private persons, the other with the community.Theaetetus
Granted; each of them does form a class.Stranger
Then again of the hunting of private persons one kind receives pay, and the other brings gifts, does it not?Theaetetus
I do not understand.Stranger
Apparently you have never yet paid attention to the lovers' method of hunting.Theaetetus
In what respect? [222e] Stranger
That in addition to their other efforts they give presents to those whom they hunt.Theaetetus
You are quite right.Stranger
Let us, then, call this the amatory art.Theaetetus
Agreed.Stranger
But that part of the paid kind which converses to furnish gratification and makes pleasure exclusively its bait and demands as its pay only maintenance, we might all agree, if I am not mistaken,
