[422a]
Socrates
Now at what point will he be right in giving up and stopping? Will it not be when he reaches the names which are the elements of the other names and words? For these, if they are the elements, can no longer rightly appear to be composed of other names. For instance, we said just now that ἀγαθόν was composed of ἀγαστόν and θοόν; and perhaps we might say that θοόν was composed of other words, and those of still others; [422b] but if we ever get hold of a word which is no longer composed of other words, we should be right ill saying that we had at last reached an element, and that we must no longer refer to other words for its derivation.Hermogenes
I think you are right.Socrates
Are, then, these words about which you are now asking elements, and must we henceforth investigate their correctness by some other method?Hermogenes
Probably.Socrates
Yes, probably, Hermogenes; at any rate, all the previous words were traced back to these. [422c] But if this be true, as I think it is, come to my aid again and help me in the investigation, that I may not say anything foolish in declaring what principle must underlie the correctness of the earliest names.Hermogenes
Go on, and I will help you to the best of my ability.Socrates
I think you agree with me that there is but one principle of correctness in all names, the earliest as well as the latest, and that none of them is any more a name than the rest.Hermogenes
Certainly. [422d] Socrates
Now the correctness of all the names we have discussed was based upon the intention of showing the nature of the things named.Hermogenes
Yes, of course.Socrates
And this principle of correctness must be present in all names, the earliest as well as the later ones, if they are really to be names.Hermogenes
Certainly.Socrates
But the later ones, apparently, were able to accomplish this by means of the earlier ones.Hermogenes
Evidently.Socrates
Well, then, how can the earliest names, which are not as yet based upon any others, make clear to us the nature of things, so far as that is possible, [422e] which they must do if they are to be names at all? Answer me this question: If we had no voice or tongue, and wished to make things clear to one another, should we not try, as dumb people actually do, to make signs with our hands and head and person generally?Hermogenes
Yes. What other method is there, Socrates?
Now at what point will he be right in giving up and stopping? Will it not be when he reaches the names which are the elements of the other names and words? For these, if they are the elements, can no longer rightly appear to be composed of other names. For instance, we said just now that ἀγαθόν was composed of ἀγαστόν and θοόν; and perhaps we might say that θοόν was composed of other words, and those of still others; [422b] but if we ever get hold of a word which is no longer composed of other words, we should be right ill saying that we had at last reached an element, and that we must no longer refer to other words for its derivation.Hermogenes
I think you are right.Socrates
Are, then, these words about which you are now asking elements, and must we henceforth investigate their correctness by some other method?Hermogenes
Probably.Socrates
Yes, probably, Hermogenes; at any rate, all the previous words were traced back to these. [422c] But if this be true, as I think it is, come to my aid again and help me in the investigation, that I may not say anything foolish in declaring what principle must underlie the correctness of the earliest names.Hermogenes
Go on, and I will help you to the best of my ability.Socrates
I think you agree with me that there is but one principle of correctness in all names, the earliest as well as the latest, and that none of them is any more a name than the rest.Hermogenes
Certainly. [422d] Socrates
Now the correctness of all the names we have discussed was based upon the intention of showing the nature of the things named.Hermogenes
Yes, of course.Socrates
And this principle of correctness must be present in all names, the earliest as well as the later ones, if they are really to be names.Hermogenes
Certainly.Socrates
But the later ones, apparently, were able to accomplish this by means of the earlier ones.Hermogenes
Evidently.Socrates
Well, then, how can the earliest names, which are not as yet based upon any others, make clear to us the nature of things, so far as that is possible, [422e] which they must do if they are to be names at all? Answer me this question: If we had no voice or tongue, and wished to make things clear to one another, should we not try, as dumb people actually do, to make signs with our hands and head and person generally?Hermogenes
Yes. What other method is there, Socrates?
